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hi there, i recently purchased the 4-mx. im very happy overall with the 4-mx now that ive resolved some other issues concerning sound drivers. although i wanted to know if anybody else was experiencing the same quality of sound as me, or if my sound configuration is not as good as it can be.

at the moment im hearing high frequencies with considerable punch to them. its as if the high frequencies have more power output going to them. its almost impossible to drown out high hats without completely killing the high. i understand i have a mixer in front of me and that i can turn down highs/mids. but even so when i have everything in the middle (including my vol. main) everything sounds punchier. dont get me wrong. the sound is good. its high fedelity sound. it just seems like high and mids are very strong and increasing bass and low frequencies make a negligeble difference. ive been listening to drum and bass for ten years now, and i notice the difference immediatly when i start listening through the 4-mx as high frequencies and high hats are almost unbearable to listen to on the mixers normal settings. by normal i mean all the knobs are set to the middle, so im not amplifiying or decreasing it. and this has nothing to do with the gain as its also set in the middle. even if i decrease the vol. main its still very punchy.

sorry to moan. i just find it makes high tempo music and electronic music hard to mix with in my opinion because if i cant drown highs and mids properly when i want to it can make things sound as if they clatter. so my main problem is that im finding it hard to manipulate the high frequencies.

i have installed the latest drivers and firmware, i have the latest version of vdj7. i have more than enough cpu and ram. i have a pair of b&ws and im running sound though a cambridge audio amp. drum and bass and electronic music normally sounds amazing through my setup..

so i dont know if the 4mx is just a bit punchier and more powerful than other consoles but i would very much appreciate other peoples views on sound quality. some people have suggested i drop vdj7 and start using traktor as they say it sounds better. can anyone confirm this? thx.

   

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ouch! ... thats not what im trying to explain here verstomd

the volume buttons on the equalizer are always in position 0 (neutral).
except when im mixing, then i kill the bass on one of the two decks to avoid clipping.
the quality of the audio is very important to me.

i understand your explanation, i get annoyed when i see how some of the djs (known top djs included), partly spoil things by poor adjustment of the audio.

what im saying is that in vdj 7, which ive also tested, the equalizer is working and sounding,
like most digital equalizers do.
traktor gives me the same audio quality and feeling as that of an analog mixer.

do not get me wrong, vdj is excellent software.
(what i try to say about this audio thing, will also never be noticed by most of the audience)

i might not use the right words to explain this clearly, but i hope you understand what i am trying to tell.

what i certainly do not want is a traktor vs. vdj battle !!!  lachen

you might understand me better, just by listening to an example: http://soundcloud.com/t3chno4h

hi5 is a vdj mix and discot3ch is done with traktor.

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hello no4h,

sorry for thinking you refered to the possibility to saturate the eq in vdj 5.

i have listened to the 2 mixes, but as i dont know your original sound (prior to equalizing), i dont really hear what you mean.
can you precise what you hear as a difference between virtualdj and traktor eq (with traktor pro classic eq in 3 frequency bands)?

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So, if you listen to the same music outside of VDJ (with WMP, iTunes or another software), with a flat EQ, using the 4-Mx as a soundcard, do you still notice the same differences in frequencies ?

 

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The output is still very strong when played on itunes. Although eq is a lot more responsive on itunes. Which is probably down to the fact is has a 16 band eq and it can be manipulated a bit easier. I have tried re-installing and reseting factory settings on vdj7..

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Hello Koz,

It looks like the 4-Mx output saturates your speakers.

DJ Console 4-Mx output level goes up to +8dBu on both RCA and 1/4" jack outputs, so if you connect the 4-Mx output to a hifi-system or speakers which require a -10dBv output level, you should open DJ Console 4-Mx control panel (Hercules software panel), reduce the output level on channel 1-2 until you get a proper sound.  

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So i dont know if the 4mx is just a bit punchier and more powerful than other consoles but i would very much appreciate other peoples views on sound quality. Some people have suggested i drop vdj7 and start using traktor as they say it sounds better. Can anyone confirm this? thx. 

   

 
The main reason I've switched from VDJ Pro to TRAKTOR Scratch Pro is the poor quality of the VDJ equalizer. I use the
STEEL Controller with the Audio 8 DJ (NI) audio interface. I personally think TRAKTOR does exactly what it says. Bass off,
just turns off the bass, not some of the bass and some midi tones as VDJ does. Another positive thing that I experienced
with TRAKTOR is much less distortion as the Key Lock is used when pitching, no more clipping or distortion due the
overdriven bass VDJ produces when mixing, even with bass killed on one deck.

If you're opting audio quality over the price tag, I would definitely choose TRAKTOR!

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Hello No4h,

I suppose you have not tested VirtualDJ 7.
After understanding some users cannot refrain from setting the EQ to the max and complain afterwards on audio quality (while EQ is a SETTING, there is no need to set it to the max), VirtualDJ 7 release has reduced the gain on the EQ so that even in setting EQ to the max, it doesn't saturate.
It is a pity some DeeJays don't use their brain to set the EQ and think setting it to the max is normal, but VirtualDJ 7 now matches even with this way of setting the EQ. 

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Ouch! ... that's not what I'm trying to explain here Verstomd

The volume buttons on the equalizer are always in position 0 (neutral).
Except when I'm mixing, then I kill the bass on one of the two decks to avoid clipping.
The quality of the audio is very important to me.

I understand your explanation, I get annoyed when I see how some of the DJs (known top DJs included), partly spoil things by poor adjustment of the audio.

What I'm saying is that in VDJ 7, which I've also tested, the equalizer is working and sounding,
like most digital equalizers do.
TRAKTOR gives me the same audio quality and feeling as that of an analog mixer.

Do not get me wrong, VDJ is excellent software.
(What I try to say about this audio thing, will also never be noticed by most of the audience)

I might not use the right words to explain this clearly, but I hope you understand what I am trying to tell.

What I certainly do NOT want is a TRAKTOR vs. VDJ battle !!!  Lachen

You might understand me better, just by listening to an example: http://soundcloud.com/t3chno4h

Hi5 is a VDJ mix and Discot3ch is done with TRAKTOR.

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Hello No4h,

Sorry for thinking you refered to the possibility to saturate the EQ in VDJ 5.

I have listened to the 2 mixes, but as I don't know your original sound (prior to equalizing), I don't really hear what you mean.
Can you precise what you hear as a difference between VirtualDJ and Traktor EQ (with Traktor Pro Classic EQ in 3 frequency bands)?

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Hello No4h,

Sorry for thinking you refered to the possibility to saturate the EQ in VDJ 5.

I have listened to the 2 mixes, but as I don't know your original sound (prior to equalizing), I don't really hear what you mean.
Can you precise what you hear as a difference between VirtualDJ and Traktor EQ (with Traktor Pro Classic EQ in 3 frequency bands)?

Sorry for the late reply but I'm very busy lately. Schamen
I will upload an example if I have some free time, but I will first have to reinstall VDJ.

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I think I know exactly what you mean, aftere going from my DJIO soundcard to the 4mx the top and mids are indeed very "punchy" and although the kills drop tem out completely droppping the levels does not seem tro, I can still hear the high hat with both turned right down. Now here's the funny thing with my set up, this effect is very noticeable with my 15" cabs on a high output amplifier but not really noticeable at all on my lower power amp feeding two wharfedale 3180's ??

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